Posts by Pete Zahut

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

Pete Zahut

Dr. Leanna Wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… They have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

I get what she's saying but her logic has holes in it.

It seems to me that her analogy would only be true, if drunk drivers only hit other drunk drivers. Unfortunately, drunk drivers can hit anyone at any time and other than staying home, there is very little the public can do to protect themselves from drunk drivers. With Covid, there is a vaccine available to the public and those who choose not to get it are at risk of contracting it themselves and infecting others who have also chosen not to get vaccinated.

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KH's Still All Closed- How Bad is WT doing Financially?

by OnTheWayOut in

most churches are back to in-person worship.

not jehovah's witnesses.

is watchtower still managing to fleece the flocks as the sheeple no longer get literature, no longer go to the kh, no longer walk past the donation box?

Pete Zahut

No meetings but the other day while driving by the Kingdom Hall I attended for over 25 years, I noticed they are all out tending to the grounds as a group. (no masks)

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Lloyd Evans removing comments he does not like, just like the cult

by mickbobcat in

i see posts that evans does not seem to like being removed.

i guess he is not a lot different than the control cult he left.

his rebuttal to the zoom assembly he said that dawkins made some silly comments about gender.

Pete Zahut

I see posts that Evans does not seem to like being removed. I guess he is not a lot different than the control cult he left.

When it comes to his broadcasts etc, it's his perogative to administer them as he sees fit. Unlike the JW's, he does not punish, shun or ruin lives or condemn to death anyone who does not agree with him.

He whines that JWs do not think for them self and they don't for the most part but when someone does not agree with him he acts just like Tony Tight pants.

Unlike Tony, he does not claim to be one of God's anointed spokesman. He does not claim that his broadcasts are being directed by the "creator of the universe". He is simply a former JW who based on his life's experience, has certain opinions and chooses to air them publicly in his own way, to those who choose to listen to him. He does not go out banging on people's doors demanding that they heed his message. Anyone who chooses to listen to him has not been told that they are evil and that God will kill them if they don't do as he says. They are free to "think for themselves" and tune him out and go on about their lives... no harm, no foul.

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What Were You or Someone You Knew Counseled For That Was Ridiculous?

by minimus in

jw
friends

back in the day, tons of witnesses were brought in the “back room “ to be counseled by elders because of their dress and grooming.

some elders frowned on mustaches or hair that went past a certain point on a male.

women were regularly harassed because their skirt was too long or too short or had a slit on the side.

Pete Zahut

When we were High School we were good kids and we really tried to be good JW's but somehow our hair and or sideburns were always too long, 2 door cars were inappropriate for service, clothes too trendy etc etc, One evening my friend and I were sitting together during the meeting and the Presiding Overseer was sitting behind us. He leaned forward and whispered into my friends ear, "Get a hair cut or I'll pull your publishers card". My friend who had had about enough of the whole thing, whispered back "Pffft....go for it !"

Another time we had a 50's party and some guys dressed as "greasers" and some girls dressed as "bobby soxers", somebody was Elvis and someone else was Marylin Monroe and another was Groucho Marx etc. The Circuit Overseer heard about it and when he visited the Congregation the following week, said that instead of imitating worldly people and sex goddesses from the 1950's, it would have been more proper for us to have dressed like JW's engaged in the ministry in the 1950's. (there was a lot of eye rolling and suppressed guffaws)

Years later, when the Musician Prince passed away from a drug overdose, that same Circuit Overseer was was quoted in the media as having said that Prince was an approved Jehovah's Witness in good standing. Apparently a JW man prancing around on stage in androgynous dress and make-up singing sexually charged songs is ok but don't dress like a greaser at a 50's party.

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Devout JW's Beat Their 12 Year Old Daughter to Death

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i know this happened several years ago but.... holy christ!

they beat the poor girl 160 times with a 3/4 inch cable!

"in a slow, steady voice, assistant state's atty.

Pete Zahut

Not a big shock seeing as how they are still taking these ancient texts literally (when it suits them) and there are often mixed messages. Women at ties must wear head coverings around men and boys if they're baptized jw's, blood is sacred until it's separated into fractions and children are beaten, lovingly.

Proverbs 23:14

Do not withhold discipline from a child; although you strike him with a rod, he will not die. 14 Strike him with a rod, and you will deliver his soul from Sheol.

Proverbs 13:24
He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

Proverbs 22:15
Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.

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So telling that there are no little children

by eyeslice in

watching in on my wife's zoom meeting last night, there was an item about discipline is love.

they played a 'caleb' animated cartoon and then the instructions were 'if possible, ask selected young children' several questions.. it seems however, that there are no children in my wife's current congregation so the questions were all answered by retired brothers and sisters.

the congregation mainly consists of elderly people (like us) and the few of childbearing age seem not interested in having children.

Pete Zahut

I remember being amused when once there was an embarrassing topic that touched on immortality. A kid about twelve had his hand up to give an answer. NO adult commented 🤣.

Reminds me of a Sunday Watchtower study where a little girl was called on to answer the question was "What is the difference between literal Circumcision and Circumcision of the heart?" She went on to describe and compare each of these things. It seemed very inappropriate and I wondered what any non JW visitor might be thinking.

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Anyone know a link to the leaked music video the cult is so upset about?

by mickbobcat in

i have been hearing the cult is upset that this video leaked and is trying to remove it off the net.

lol are they really that stupid?

but if anyone has a link to the video i would love to see it.

Pete Zahut

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If get what you’re saying but by that logic, if someone took a photo or video of my 1980 Chevette and posted it online, I’d still own it and it would have the same value or possibly more if so if someone saw it and just had to have it at any price.

Not a nice thing to do but he person posting the watchtower video likely wasn’t claiming to own or or have produced it nor is it likely they were making a profit. The Watchtower thinks everything they do is a huge holy secret.

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Anyone know a link to the leaked music video the cult is so upset about?

by mickbobcat in

i have been hearing the cult is upset that this video leaked and is trying to remove it off the net.

lol are they really that stupid?

but if anyone has a link to the video i would love to see it.

Pete Zahut

4 hours ago

I believe in patent and copyright law. People need to get paid for their work

isn’t the watchtower a “ non profit”... what money were they hoping to make from this? Wasn’t the “work” done by unpaid volunteers? Isn’t getting the good news out there by any means, their main goal?

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Was your faith in Armagedddon connected to current events?

by Wasanelder Once in

remember when nixon resigned?

the big a was here some said.

remember 1986 and the "international year of peace and security?

Pete Zahut

In terms of the end, Y2K was a sure thing until it came and went and then the twin towers fell a year later...that was 20 years ago.

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Transparency Questions

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some questions to ask witnesses.

how would you alter or improve or add to them?.

transparency questions.

Pete Zahut

Are those who make contributions at assemblies or meetings given a detailed report on what the contributions are spent on or do they simply trust that they are being spent wisely?

Would it be improper for a JW especially a sister or a brother who holds no position, to ask to see a detailed report of the congregations spending?

Are JW's provided with the "business plan" of the organization or are they free to see leaderships meeting agendas or sit in on their meetings or view videos of their leaders discussing matters pertaining to the future of the organization they are finically supporting?